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Post by barbara on Jun 16, 2009 22:00:27 GMT
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Post by Mike Smith on Jun 16, 2009 22:08:28 GMT
Ummm, Barbara - Thanks for link but what are we looking for there? Cant see anything re co-prox. Please could you point me in the right direction. Thanks
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Post by poppy on Jun 17, 2009 13:53:25 GMT
My normal bank Maestro card wouldn't work so I got one of these prepaid efforts. You load it up with say £100 prepaid credit and then give the details to across. It also ensures you are limited in exposure if you worry about scams (though Claire prescribe4u seem to be making a good effort to help out). There are no credit checks and the cards are relatively straight forward to obtain.
You can get them in Mastercard or Visa. Be sure to go for the Visa one.
Hi Russ.........Thanks for that .....I'll keep that in mind.............
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Post by tengreenbottles on Jun 17, 2009 14:43:30 GMT
Hi Peeps, I've been desperately trying to find cp and found your site by accident. I cant beleive you have managed to get co-proxamol.com as your web address. nice 1! I thought you might like to see this forum. Its a load of chemists that think they know whats best for us all. look at the comment one of them just made about sucide and why we must suffer. sick and with attitudes like that from chemists what hope is there? www.pharmacy-forum.co.uk/have-drug-related-question/2284-coproxamol-5.html#post30556sick! I said my bit there, but dont think it will do much good.
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Post by Mike Smith on Jun 17, 2009 19:36:43 GMT
I wondered about the Human Rights Angle, it seems to be used for some dubious claims, surely there is room for a genuine complaint of human suffering. Perhaps ITV's This morning magazine programme would do an interview. They often have Dr Chris on discussing topical issues. Russ sounds very articulate. Barbara, sorry I didnt see this post. I now see the relevance of your link. I agree with you - Russ would no doubt do a great job on that kind of show. Russ? Howabout it?
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Post by russmclean on Jun 18, 2009 16:19:44 GMT
I wondered about the Human Rights Angle, it seems to be used for some dubious claims, surely there is room for a genuine complaint of human suffering. Perhaps ITV's This morning magazine programme would do an interview. They often have Dr Chris on discussing topical issues. Russ sounds very articulate. Barbara, sorry I didnt see this post. I now see the relevance of your link. I agree with you - Russ would no doubt do a great job on that kind of show. Russ? Howabout it? Hi Barbara, that is a very kind comment. Not too sure about articulate, more like verbal-anger :@) Mike & Barbara, you are spot on about the European Court of Human Rights. That is what I am hoping to discuss with the QC. Though still exhausting the Department of Health trail up to Downing Street process which needs to be thoroughly exhausted. I keep repeating that Breckenridge should be sacked as Medical Health Regulator, or at least investigated, and that the MHRA failed "Named Patient" system has left thousands of us without analgesia. This isn't the first time Breckenridge has been called to resign. BBC TV Panorama did several documentary exposes on the MHRA and "Secrets of Seroxat" which ended up with the respected Soical Audit advocate Charles Medawar publicly calling for the MH Regulator to resign.... www.socialaudit.org.uk/6040315.htmwww.socialaudit.org.uk/6070330.htmAs mentioned, earlier, the GMC was sent a formal complaint from yours truly late last year, enclosing the hundreds of complaints about the coproxamol ban that the MHRA received. On 4th February 2009 "Dr" Breckenridge surrendered his GMC registration. Still not sure if there is a connection, but the sooner he goes, the sooner the MHRA Coproxamol mess will be resolved. Even the House of Commons Health Committee have been highly critical of the MHRA. I have no doubt we will all get there, but it is a bumpy old road. Cheers, Russ.
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Post by russmclean on Jun 18, 2009 17:34:05 GMT
I wondered about the Human Rights Angle, it seems to be used for some dubious claims, surely there is room for a genuine complaint of human suffering. Perhaps ITV's This morning magazine programme would do an interview. They often have Dr Chris on discussing topical issues. Russ sounds very articulate. Hi Barbara, Just a post script on your mention of television coverage. The excellent BBC journalist Julia George did a triple feature last year segmented into each hour of the three hour BBC Breakfast Television. There is still reference to it on the BBC website....... news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7540344.stm The MHRA were slated and heavily criticised. One of the doctors that the MHRA put up for interview is being reported to the GMC as she was either seriously misleading or negligent in what she stated as fact. Though as the MHRA are directly funded by drug companies and there exists, to any right thinking individual, a clear conflict of interest, coupled with the fact they have hides like rhinos and repeatedly ignore the Sovereign Parliament of the UK it will take an almighty (probably legal) shove either through the civil or criminal courts to move some of the limpet brained stonewallers that inhabit MHRA HQ. Best regards, Russ.
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Post by Mike Smith on Jun 19, 2009 11:57:06 GMT
Hello people. Russ, I have a number of ideas about how we may raise the profile of our campaign - and I think we should call it a campaign now. There must be thousands of sufferers who simply think they are alone and are probably to embarrassed / nervous to talk openly about it. Perhaps we could have a chat next week?? I will let you have a contact number if u feel that would be useful. Barbara, the TV option is very important. I would like to see how we can move that forward as well. Again, if you would like a chat about it, just let me know. I am not very good with medical knowledge etc . You two seem to have much more grounding in that than me, but I can do things with websites and search engines. Im sure that together we can make something happen. Anyway, next week I wont be available from wednesday to tuesday. Im off to Glastonbury. Insane I know, but what the hell. I just love mud So, if you see someone on the TV coverage carrying a banner with this web address on - then thats me!!!!
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Post by barbara on Jun 25, 2009 21:04:39 GMT
Hi Folks, Been away to London. I did wonder if Russ would have a go applying to ITV This Morning Programme, The resident Doc, Dr Chris Steele always seems interested in topical subjects and Denise Robertson (DearDenise.com) site, is the agony aunt on there, highly respected and her husband did take coprox for his bad back. I did have a coprox topic going on DearDenise.com simply called Coproxomol and Teddy (site name) It is easy to register on the site and find the topic by search. Click on the Ask Heart logo. Some folks have already contributed their say. As you state the more noisy but polite clamour the better. Local newspapers may still be interested and our MP's? After all, they certainly reap rewards for their jobs! ITV This Morning also has a website.
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Post by barbara on Jun 25, 2009 21:15:39 GMT
If anyone wants to add, also, on DearDenise, the topic is at the top of the message boards and Denise says she will mention this to Dr. Chris. Still think we need a spokesperson on This Morning, anyone brave enough to apply?
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Post by barbara on Jun 25, 2009 21:42:31 GMT
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Post by freeman on Jun 25, 2009 22:32:16 GMT
mindlightandsoul.blogspot.com/Hi i am pleased a website for Co.Proxamol as been set up, i know there where forums for this topic, but it need a site all of its own to get the message across more urgently, the title alone for the site should generate enogh publicity hopefuly to get this popular painkiller back on the shelfs for everybody to have not just the named patiants list only.http://mindlightandsoul.blogspot.com/
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Post by davids on Jul 1, 2009 10:09:17 GMT
Hello, I came here to wish you luck, actually, and also to suggest that there are a variety of points of view held by individual pharmacists, and that it might be interesting for you to read this thread on our forum (I am a moderator over there) but I see that it has already been quoted above. As moderator, I also wanted to check the link was to a valid site rather than the unfortunate erectile dysfunction treatment type of spam that is often posted, and which you may have to deal with in due course. Apart from that one sentence on our forum which was not taken how it was intended to be taken by its writer - I think it was insensitive to put what he wrote, actually, but that's just my opinion - I hope you will find a wide range of views concerning the drug. DavidS
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Post by Mike Smith on Jul 1, 2009 11:59:55 GMT
DavisS - Thank you for taking the time to register and comment. Everyone is welcome here and input from Chemists and other professionals is of course very useful. My intention on setting this site up was to have a balanced debate on this issue. Whilst there is much comment in various places regarding the danger of CP there doesn't actually seem to be much proof to substantiate such claims.
I think the timing of the restriction is very interesting especially when ones looks at the timeline regarding the death of David Kelly. I personally think that there is a link there, and it would seem others do as well.
Whatever the truth, its clear that the restrictions that have been placed on the prescribing of CP are disproportionate to the risk. As a chemist (I'm assuming you are) you will surely know that there is risk with any drug that is "over dosed" Paracetamol, an over the counter drug, is lethal if taken in to larger doses. What I would like to know, is what makes CP so much more dangerous than any other pain killer.
Anyway, again, thank you for taking the time to post. Your views and those of your colleagues are always welcomed.
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Post by barbara on Jul 4, 2009 19:51:13 GMT
I have cut and pasted this article from the Newcastle Journal, are the facts correct? I would add, I don't believe Kelly's death explanation, the man was a scientist. Suicides down after painkiller axed Jun 19 2009
An end to prescriptions for a common painkiller has led to a drop in suicides involving the drug - without a rise in deaths from other painkillers.
Co-proxamol was once the most common prescription drug used in suicides and between 1997 and 1999 was behind 766 deaths in England and Wales, according to the study published on bmj.com.
Scientists said withdrawing co-proxamol from the UK market was followed by a "major" reduction in suicides and accidental poisonings involving the drug, which has a "relatively narrow" margin between the concentration at which it is therapeutic and that at which it can kill.
Co-proxamol was taken by Government scientist David Kelly, who killed himself in 2003 in the row over the Iraq war weapons of mass destruction dossier.
It was concerns about the large numbers of fatal poisonings which prompted the Committee on Safety in Medicines to announce co-proxamol would be phased out in the UK by the end of 2007, but it was not clear whether the plan to cut deaths had worked.
Oxford University scientists, led by Professor Keith Hawton, studied national records to establish how successful the initiative has been in reducing the number of deaths.
They found a steep fall (59%) in the prescribing of co-proxamol after the 2005 announcement of its withdrawal and - unsurprisingly - significant increases in the prescribing of other painkillers such as co-codamol, paracetamol and codeine.
Crucially, the changes in prescribing practices were accompanied by a 62% reduction in suicides involving co-proxamol, or 295 fewer deaths - a figure which rose to 349 when accidental poisonings were included - compared to expected levels.
Yet there was no increase in deaths involving other painkillers and prescription drugs, allaying fears that people would substitute co-proxamol for other drugs in suicide attempts, according to the report's authors.
The team concluded that the UK initiative has been an effective measure, highlighting how regulatory authorities "can have an important public health function", as was previously found in relation to restricting the pack sizes of over-the-counter painkillers.
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