WELCOME TO THE DEBATE!!

[russmclean]

Hi Barbara,

Welcome to the wonderful world of government spin.

I have taken the matter of Hawton's bias and misleading report up with his boss Guy Goodwin, and also with the BMJ. Though when you read the small print, Hawton's report was funded by the government so little surprise at the spin on the report. Ironic not least because the Cabinet Office no less, are unable to give me definitive up to date figures on coproxamol and alternate suicide comparables.

Barbara you started this thread with a suggestion that the MHRA coproxamol mess be raised on television. It has, most notably by reproter Julia George on the BBC (and of course should continue to be on all channels and all media). But my own view, having exhausted most channels that should have these knights and professors addressing and repairing the mess is that there now needs to be a Lord Tom Watson or Lord Jefferey Archer job. One or more of these rhino skinned ignorant people need to be charged with a criminal offence and jailed.

I have posted the numerous failings and bias in Hawtons report in the eighth entry on the True Face thread......

coproxamol.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4

Either Oxford University Suicide Dept (yes there is one) or the BMJ or both are in for a rough ride because of the misleading dangerous pap they have put out under the name of scientific research, and for which I might suggest they receive a handsome salary and much peer group recognition, promotion to professorships, honours and enoblement.

Research into Suicide. My backside. These people are very likely to be causing suicides. My question is are they causing more deaths than preventing? Their BIG problem is if it can be proven either MHRA, BMJ or Oxford University have any culpability in just ONE SUICIDE FROM LACK OF ANY ANALGESIA after the disasterous coproxamol ban, then one or several civil servants are likely to find themselves interviewed, probably under caution, by the police.

Barbara, I may not know much about medicine, apart from unrelating pain and pergatory when doctors get it very wrong, but as a former police officer, I know a thing or two about the law. If I were in the shoes of any of these people, I would think very, very carefully about what I say and do about their disasterous coproxamol experiment. IT ONLY TAKES ONE is now a campaign, and when the full nationwide program of research to establish if their have been any suicides caused by the MHRA et al., mess, then the relevant police forces will receive the detail, asked to investigate the evidence and if culpabilty is up to CPS/PF standard then prosecute.

I am absolutely furious at the bias and ignorance displayed by the so called academic Hawton. The mass media campaign that his report has benefitted from via the British Medical Journal peer passed review makes it all the more a disgrace.

This matter isn't over by a long shot.

Best regards,

Russ.

[Mike Smith]

Hi Russ - Sorry Ive been a little quiet for a while. Been off on contract work but have looked in from time to time. I find it amazing that Oxford Uni have a suicide department - Is that for real??

I showed this forum to my local doctor. He told me that as far as he was concerned he'd never had any problems with patients with co-prox and will continue to prescribe for as long as its legal to do so.

Anyway, its good to see the forum is being used. Just hope it can make a positive difference.

Mike

[russmclean]

Hi Mike,

Please don't apologise. You did a great thing setting up this site.

It is bad enough that so many cannot get on the Coproxamol Named-Patient system. But if the hard core most pain wracked 150,000 already on Named-Patient get turfed off by EMEA then all Hell will break loose, and your site is likely to get very busy.

Not just that, but it is a very good resourse for centralising information to balance the self-promoting guff put out by the likes of the MHRA.

Added to which the likes of MEP involvement and rolling report on what will happen when (probably at the turn of the year) we have the HM Coroners and Procurators Fiscal info to publish, then if the police become involved (one of my former police colleagues says he would put money on it after what I have already shown him) then the whole issue may turn around in a remarkable and VERY public manner.

I am already anticipating concerns that some balance has to be struck as I do see the initial point the MHRA were trying to establish. Whatever else, a reduction in suicides is an admirable goal. Pity the Medical Health Regulator is so stubborn, and incompetent that he screwed up his opportunity for noblesse oblige.

BIG THANKS AND BEST REGARDS.

Russ.

[barbara]

So its ok to prescribe something that causes horrific injuries to newborn babies, I copied this piece off the Daily Mail site this morning where there is a full article.

GPs are still prescribing an antidepressant known to cause birth defects in unborn children to thousands of women every year, it emerged last night.
Pills such as Seroxat may result in babies being born with malformed hearts if taken in the first few weeks of pregnancy - a time when many women are still unaware they may have conceived.
Several scientific studies have suggested that the class of drugs known as SSRIs, which also includes Prozac, could double the rate of birth defects.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205149/GPs-handing-antidepressants-linked-birth-defects.html#ixzz0Na8qUUWi

[barbara]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205149/GPs-handing-antidepressants-linked-birth-defects.html

There is a place to put comments at the foot of this article, I have put one in about Coprox, its a chance to be heard, go and comment!

[barbara]

Dishonest drug firms
Pfizer agrees record fraud fine


Pfizer has said it wants to put the "trust issues" behind it
US drugmaker Pfizer has agreed to pay $2.3bn (£1.4bn) in the largest healthcare fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice.
A subsidiary pleaded guilty to misbranding drugs "with the intent to defraud or mislead".
Pfizer illegally promoted four drugs and caused false claims to be submitted to government healthcare programmes for uses that were not medically accepted.
US officials said Pfizer would have to enter a corporate integrity agreement.
It will be subject to additional public scrutiny by requiring it to make "detailed disclosures" on its website.
Pfizer's general counsel said: "We regret certain actions taken in the past, but are proud of the action we've taken to strengthen our internal controls."
"The size and seriousness of this resolution, including the huge criminal fine, reflect the seriousness and scope of Pfizer's crimes," said Mike Loucks, acting US attorney for the District of Massachusetts.
The company faces a criminal fine of $1.195bn and a subsidiary company of Pfizer - Pharmacia & Upjohn - will forfeit $105m, totalling a criminal resolution of $1.3bn.
The remaining $1bn fine was levied to resolve the allegations under the civil False Claims Act.
Four drugs
The civil settlement also relates to allegations that Pfizer paid bribes to healthcare providers to induce them to prescribe four named drugs. These are Bextra, an anti-inflammatory drug, Geodon, an anti-psychotic drug, Zyvox, an antibiotic and Lyrica, an epilepsy treatment.
The investigation was trigged by allegations made by six whistleblowers. They will receive $102m of the civil fines paid by Pfizer.
"Although these types of investigations are often long and complicated and require many resources to achieve positive results, the FBI will not be deterred from continuing to ensure that pharmaceutical companies conduct business in a lawful manner," said Kevin Perkins, FBI assistant director, Criminal Investigative Division.
The pharmaceutical firm said earlier this year that it would pay the fine "to put issues that diminish trust behind us".
Pfizer reported a 90% drop in profit to $268m in the fourth quarter of 2008, because of the $2.3bn legal settlement, indicating that the company was aware they would be paying this sum before the terms of the deal with the Department of Justice were announced.

[barbara]

The above is from the BBC news site and to the right of that is a column with other actions by drug companies that are worth reading.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7754048.stm

[barbara]

It seems very quiet on here now.
Dailymail online today, has an article on over the counter addiction to painkillers. It is worth a try putting a readers comment about Coprox. I have written one, still in the mods area but worth a go to try and air a comment.

[barbara]

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1211028/Addiction-warning-codeine-tough-new-controls-counter-sales.html
C'mon folks, my comment has been published.

[russmclean]

Sept 4, 2009 9:02:44 GMT barbara said:

It seems very quiet on here now.
Dailymail online today, has an article on over the counter addiction to painkillers. It is worth a try putting a readers comment about Coprox. I have written one, still in the mods area but worth a go to try and air a comment.

Hi Barbara,

Good on you for banging away at the media. Sadly the MHRA blatantly ignore the media (criticism at least), except when they want some good PR or spin to justify their malevolent incompetent well-paid existence.

Personally, my view is if the MHRA can ignore several major television expose, AND ignore the will of the UK Parliament, then the time for letters has passed. The only way these dangerous doctors, pontificating professors and MHRA "independent", but drug company funded idiots can be shifted is with a crowbar and P45, as well it would be hoped together with a pair of cold steel police handcuffs. I kid ye not. What the senior managers at the MHRA are doing is criminal.

No Barbara, I think the European Court of Human Rights is the next major port of call, with the MHRA in the dock and brought to account. That is what I have asked my MEP to do, and he is progressing my request.

That is the civil court side which is, frankly the only way the MHRA will be forced to act scientifically and humanely. Drug company self regulation MHRA-style doesn't work. The sooner these people are on the streets and struck off by the GMC the better.

With regard to alleged criminality, this is a long drawn out process. My take on it, is to steadily (and because of my own MHRA resultant health problems slowly) write to each HM Coroner to seek out relatives of anyone who has taken their life because of being left in untreated pain by the catastrophically failed MHRA Named-Patient system for prescription of coproxamol.

At that point, legal advice will be sought as how to refer the matter competently to the police and seek criminal inquiry into the negligent actions of named officials at the MHRA. A certain poetic irony. The MHRA failed with their Named-Patient system. Now they may be criminally investigated on a Named-Employee basis.

With regard to your comment about this site being quiet. I think this is in part due to the point at which we are now at. Going legal takes time and there are long periods of quiet, whilst background work is undertaken.

The other reason may be that the site isn't showing up on general web search engines. Maybe Mike could seek an answer on the technical wizardry of how to make the site more searchable and findable (apologies for the grammar etc).

Best regards,


Russ.